Energy Update: 2-6-09

Here is our latest paper just off the press! What is the minimum EROI
that a stable society must have....

And the latest Peak Oil Review  

Aspo weekly
1. Output/prices--declines; most striking that of natural gas in US down
over a fifth on year owing to industrial cutbacks, and also in
Briefs--air
cargo globally down nearly a quarter on year!
2. Obama--stimulus, will it work?  3. Venezuela hard hit as are Russia
and
Iran
Briefs--more cutbacks  and delays of $100 billion etc etc etc
Commentary--what kinds of wars ahead and how does peak oil impact  J
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Click here to download:
Peak Oil Review 090202.pdf (79 KB)

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EROI_Min_as published.pdf (724 KB)

Energy Update: 1-4-08

Contents of this energy listserv update include

1) Peak Oil Review 081229

2) Article discussing whether the US- China currency relationship [insolvency???]

3) Investors Business Daily article on Corn-Based Ethanol (whole article included)

4) Link to article about Saudia Arabia Spending

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=14054

12/19/2008 16:54
ASIA - UNITED STATES

U.S. debt approaches insolvency; Chinese currency reserves at risk

by Maurizio d'Orlando

Energy Resources Digest 4027  14.

 Ethanol Bailout? Time To Shuck Corn
Posted by:      "brent_ns"
Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:11 am        (PST)
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 12/26/2008

Energy Policy: The heavily subsidized ethanol industry is the latest to seek
a federal bailout. If there is any industry that deserves to go bankrupt,
it's this one. Time has come to stop putting food in our gas tanks.

The bailout-seeking domestic auto industry has been criticized as being
unproductive and inefficient. It hasn't been helped by mandated fuel economy
standards that have done little to reduce our dependence on foreign energy
or help the environment. Now the fuel we have been mandated to put in our
cars, equally unproductive and inefficient, is also seeking a bailout.

Ethanol never made much sense economically or environmentally. It never
would have made it to market without congressional mandates and huge
subsidies. Having the first presidential contest in the corm state of Iowa
didn't hurt either. With oil prices plummeting, it is even less competitive
- if it ever was.

The product has benefited from a tax credit paid to gasoline producers to
blend gasoline with ethanol; a federal fuel economy standard that sets a
minimum amount of ethanol to be blended; and a 54-cents-a-gallon tariff on
cheaper imported ethanol made in places like Brazil. Brazilian ethanol is
made from sugar, not corn. But corn is grown in Iowa, and Brazilians can't
vote.

Recent legislation mandated increased ethanol use as well as a
51-cent-a-gallon tax credit and more corn subsidies. Over the last two
decades the ethanol industry has been kept alive with more than $25 billion
in federal handouts. Yet it still can't compete.

Five of Iowa's 32 ethanol plants are in bankruptcy. They are operated by
Sioux Falls, S.D.-based ethanol giant VeraSun Energy, which itself filed for
Chapter 11 on Oct. 31. Eleven plants in other states have also fallen into
bankruptcy. Nationally the ethanol plant failure rate is at 8.8% and could
reach 22% in short order.

The Renewable Fuels Association, the industry's lobbying arm, has talked
with Team Obama about further handouts such as $1 billion in short-term
credit to keep failing plants in operation and $50 billion in loan
guarantees to build more. The association wants to increase the 10% ethanol
limit in gasoline for conventional cars and trucks and require that any
carmaker getting federal funds produce only vehicles that can run on any
blend up to 85% ethanol.

Even the environmentalists are getting wise to this game. The Environmental
Working Group and five other groups came out against such a bailout last
week, saying subsidies "for corn-based ethanol have produced unintended, yet
potentially catastrophic, environmental consequences, with little or no
return to taxpayers in energy security (or) protection from global warming."

According to a report from the Hoover Institute's Henry Miller and professor
Colin Carter of the University of California, Davis, "ethanol yields about
30% less energy per gallon of gasoline, so miles per gallon in internal
combustion engines drop significantly." So the per-mile cost is actually
higher at the pump. Meanwhile, it raises the food prices at the supermarket
you drive to.

Corn ethanol is less energy efficient and costs more. It generates less than
two units of energy for every unit of energy used to produce it. It takes
1,700 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol. Each acre of corn
requires 130 pounds of nitrogen and 55 pounds of phosphorous.

Increased acreage means increased agricultural runoff, which is creating
aquatic "dead zones" in our rivers, bays and coastal areas.

Industries such as poultry and livestock, as well as their customers and
workers, suffered when government policies and subsidies drove corn prices
to record highs last summer. Demand for corn and the diversion from other
crops have sent food prices soaring worldwide.

If we are seriously talking about an economic recovery, we need to remove
this albatross from around the neck of businesses, consumers and taxpayers.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=ar
ticle&id=315188051785999
<http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&amp;stat
us=article&amp;id=315188051785999>

Saudia Arabia

Click here to download:
Peak Oil Review 081229.pdf (85 KB)

Energy Update: 12-30-08

2 posts today for your energy loving mind...


Latest from Tom Whipple

There is clearly an irreducible minimum amount of oil consumption out there below which our oil-based economies will begin to deteriorate rapidly. If there is anything that is certain as a result of the present low oil prices, it is that investment in new oil production is dropping so rapidly that there will be serious problems three to five years from now.
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/47571

Published Dec 24 2008 by Falls Church News-Press
Archived Dec 25 2008

The peak oil crisis: Confusion in the markets

by Tom Whipple

<snip>

***Despite the lack of good information, it is clear that worldwide demand for oil has fallen in the last six months. U.S. demand is down about 1.2 million barrels a day(b/d). OECD commercial petroleum inventories, including those of the US have increased steadily as importers have taken advantage of lower prices. We know that Japanese imports are down around 500,000 b/d over last year and that Chinese imports have dropped a little. What is missing for now is a good feel for the actual size of the worldwide drop in demand. At one end of the scale is the IEA who recently opined that for 2008 worldwide demand will only be down by 200,000 b/d. Some, however, are saying demand is already 6 or 7 million b/d lower than the peak of around 86 million b/d reached last summer. This will take some time to sort out.***

What is important, however, is that oil traders and the financial press continue to repeat over and over again that oil prices are dropping because of the contracting world economy. This has become the mantra of the market. There is also a substantial body of opinion that some component of the fall in oil prices is due to the unwinding of hedge funds and the general deleveraging of nearly all financial institutions.

***While U.S. demand for oil products currently is down about 6 percent, this number has been stable for several months. Oil is so deeply ingrained in the fabric of most countries, particularly that of the U.S., that deeper cuts in consumption are unlikely unless the economy really sours.***

***OPEC production cuts are now approaching 2 million b/d and are scheduled to reach 4 million b/d in the next couple of months. Whether this will be enough to cover the drop in demand is the question of the day. **Most commentators are fearlessly predicting a rapid rise in oil prices as soon as economic recovery sets in -- either in a few months or a couple of years. The more interesting issue is what happens if there is no recovery in the next few years or the next few decades.**Do oil prices bounce merrily along at rock bottom levels until geological and investment constraints start to massively limit supplies? OPEC is already talking of yet another cut as the last three have had no measurable effect. Will OPEC overcut and cause another price spike within the next year despite the state of the economy?***

*****There is clearly an irreducible minimum amount of oil consumption out there below which our oil-based economies will begin to deteriorate rapidly. If there is anything that is certain as a result of the present low oil prices, it is that investment in new oil production is dropping so rapidly that there will be serious problems three to five years from now.*****

Post on The Oil Drum regarding UK Natural Gas


On The Oil Drum Europe today Rune Likvern takes a detailed look at UK 
natural gas supplies this winter and asks if an energy crisis is 
looming?

Will the UK Face a Natural Gas Crisis this Winter? (Part 2 of 2)
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/4878

?


Unknown

     

Energy Update: 12-26-08

I apologize for using the "to" instead of "bcc" in previous emails. I had a mental lapse. 

Peak Oil review attached. 


ASPO--USA weekly
Leading stories--OPEC cut some more but has not held up price,  meeting
again next month; investment down; International Energy Agency virtually
admits to 2020 peak but seems divided into camps (as reported
earlier--Mombiot interview); striking that existing oil fields are depleting
at 6.7%/year up from earlier IEA estimates; biofuels will not fill bill in
US ( new energy secretary in Obama's cabinet is pro alternatives); more
diesel now refined in US
Briefs--some add to above; some others interesting
Commentary--on Canada's future output will not be US salvation; regular
declining (Alberta, Saskatchewan, off shore Newfoundland); don't bank on tar
sands despite US Department of Energy Information Administration's
expectation of 5.3 mill barrels a day; writer argues that current total of
1.2 mbd will not rise above 3 mbd--as David Hughes recently suggested--and
certainly my sense as well. (Commentary does not specify bitumen from
synthetic crude--You won't believe this but rarely does any commentator say
what share of bitumen ends up as synthetic crude--that is upgraded with the
addition of hydrogen--say 75%, but assume that synthetic is being referred
to).  Jim

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Click here to download:
Peak Oil Review 081222.pdf (82 KB)

Energy Listserv: 12 - 18 - 08

3 new topics (titles in bold) for todays Listserv.


FROM B. Tamblyn

I have attached and uploaded to ERT's
Files section my Excel file titled "World
Oil Supply - EIA data through 09 2008".

Not only did September's production
decline sharply on all of the *monthy*
charts, September's *12-month totals*
declined on every chart but "Other
Liquids".

I suspect that we will never exceed
the Record 12-month total of "World
Oil Supply Broadly Defined" that was
set in August 2008, and we may never
exceed the August Records in "Crude +
Condensate" and "Natural Gas Plant
Liquids".


Interesting Article on Ivy Leagues elites


Barack Obama is a product of this elitist system. So are his degree-laden cabinet members. . . .

These elites, and the corporate system they serve, have ruined the country. These elite cannot solve our problems. They have been trained to find "solutions," such as the trillion-dollar bailout of banks and financial firms, that sustain the system. They will feed the beast until it dies. Don't expect them to save us. They don't know how. And when it all collapses, when our rotten financial system with its trillions in worthless assets implodes, and our imperial wars end in humiliation and defeat, they will be exposed as being as helpless, and as stupid, as the rest of us.  [[[ As I see it, they won't even save the system, never mind saving you and me. / Bill ]]]
http://www.alternet.org/story/111376/?page=entire

monbiot (writer for the guardian) gets a date for peak oil from IEA

Click here to download:
World Oil Supply - EIA data through 09 2008.xls (556 KB)

Energy Listserv Update: 12-14-08

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/top10-2008/index6.html

***Think switching to solar energy will make you green? Think again. **Many of the newest solar panels are manufactured with a gas that is 17,000 times more potent than carbon dioxide in contributing to global warming.*****


*****Nitrogen trifluoride, or NF3, is used for cleaning microcircuits during the manufacture of a host of modern electronics, including flat-screen TVs, iPhones, computer chips-and thin-film solar panels, the latest (and cheapest) generation of solar photovoltaics.***** (Time named the panels one of the best inventions of 2008.) Because industry estimates suggested that only about 2 percent of NF3 ever made it into the atmosphere, the chemical has been marketed as a cleaner alternative to other higher-emitting options. For the past decade, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has actively encouraged its use. NF3 also wasn't deemed dangerous enough to be covered by the Kyoto Protocol, making it an attractive substitute for companies and signatory countries eager to lower their emissions footprints.

It turns out that NF3 might not be so green after all. "NF3 has a potential greenhouse impact larger than . even that of the world's largest coal-fired power plants," according to a June 2008 study by researchers at the University of California, Irvine. Because NF3 isn't covered by Kyoto, few attempts have been made to measure it in the atmosphere. But *****last October, scientists at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography reported that four times more NF3 is present in the atmosphere than industry estimates suggest, and its concentration is rising 11 percent a year.*****

Compared with the damage caused by CO2 emissions, NF3 remains a blip because far less of it is emitted. But *****Ray Weiss, who led the Scripps team, thinks that, unless regulations require more complete greenhouse gas measurements, more unpleasant surprises will be in store. With NF3, he says, "We're finding considerably more in the atmosphere than was expected. This [gas] won't be the only example of that."*****


     



Energy Listserv Update: 12-11-08

Energy Listserv

While Charles is teaching in Argentina this listserv will be sent via the "eroi.institute@gmail.com" email by me, David Murphy - his PhD student,  This email address is associated with www.eroiinstitute.org, which is a website that we have begun to serve as a central bank of all of our research and information, from published papers to presentations to energy listserv posts. The website is operational, but still being filled with our material. 

Two articles are attached below - One on the potential OPEC production cuts and another on the impact of current oil prices on petrodollars. 

Enjoy

Dave

http://tinyurl.com/5tesq9 

December 9, 2008, 9:19 am

Oil and OPEC: Can the Cartel Possibly Cut Production Enough?

Posted by Keith Johnson

***Just how daunting is OPEC's challenge to rein in falling oil prices? Beyond its control, if economist and oil-market analyst Philip Verleger is right.***


***Mr. Verleger, a former Carter administration official, academic, and energy-industry consultant, says OPEC can forget about tiny production cuts of 1 or 2 million barrels when it meets later this month in Algeria. The cartel needs to wipe out at least 7 million barrels per day of oil production to bring oil markets close to balance, he says, according to Platt's The Barrel.***

***And that's not likely to happen, which spells even more happy times for oil bears, Mr. Verleger says: "Since cuts of such magnitude are out of the question, one should expect prices to come under further downward pressure."***

*****His thesis? Global demand for oil has cratered much, much more than the spreadsheets used by groups like OPEC and the International Energy Agency. Mr. Verleger says global demand in December dropped to 81.6 million barrels a day, compared with 86.8 million barrels a year ago.***** That's dramatically uglier than OPEC's most recent diagnosis of oil demand, which put fourth-quarter global demand at 86.2 million barrels per day, up from 85.9 million a year ago.

That starkly different take on global oil demand explains Mr. Verleger's radical remedy. He figures there's currently only demand for about 24.7 million barrels of OPEC crude oil. The oil cartel thinks there's demand for 31.8 million barrels of its own crude. That's a difference of 7.1 million barrels, or roughly the combined production of Iran, Iraq, and Qatar.

Meanwhile, OPEC figures its members produced about 32 million barrels per day in October, before announcing a 1.5 million barrel per day production cut. If every cartel member fully complied with that cut, OPEC would still have a glut of 5.8 million barrels over Mr. Verleger's estimates. Using more realistic OPEC compliance estimates, OPEC could be looking at a bigger glut of about 6.5 million barrels.

Either way, to bring supply and demand back into balance, OPEC would have to make a much bigger cut than the 2 million barrels per day that many analysts are now calling for.

Of course, there are analysts worried that the oil market's fixation with slumping demand is just putting unrealistic pressure on OPEC, and setting the stage for an even uglier supply crunch down the road.

All the more reason to keep an eye on what OPEC decides to do this month in Algeria.


      (Break even crude prices for various nations.)

Good bye, petrodollars …

Posted on Monday, December 8th, 2008
By bsetser
Estimates of the break-even oil price in Saudi Arabia's budget vary, ranging from under $40 a barrel to around $50 a barrel.
Sometimes that is because of different assumptions about Saudi Arabia's actual production ― the more the Saudis cut back production, the higher the oil price they need to balance their budget.
Sometimes that reflects different assumptions about the relevant oil price: the price Saudi Arabia gets on its actual production blend is a bit lower than the benchmark price for sweet light oil.
And sometimes it just reflects a failure to adjust for the games the Saudis play with their budget.
Formally, the Saudis plan to spend 410 billion Saudi Riyal ― or $109 billion ― in 2008 (more here). That incidentally is less that the 443 SAR ($118 billion) the Saudis actually spent in 2007, as spending ran a bit over the 380 billion SAR ($101b) in the formal budget. I don't believe for a second that the Saudis are really going to spend less in 2008 than in 2007. Rachel Ziemba ― who watches the local press closely for RGE ― thinks the Saudis actual 2008 spending will come in around 532b SAR ($142 billion).
That works out to a break-even price for the Saudis' blend ― using the IMF's assumption of 7.5 mbd of exports ― of around 51 or 52 dollars a barrel.
My calculation ignored the Saudis non-oil revenue. But it also ignored the Saudis production costs. Neither amounts to all that much though, so I doubt my rough math is too far off. The IMF estimated the Saudis 2008 break-even price at $50 a barrel.
Moreover, Saudi spending has been growing at something like 15% a year, if not a bit more ― remember, the Saudis had to increase their budget substantially just to assure that salaries kept up with inflation. And the Saudis probably aren't going to scale back spending immediately. They don't want the Saudi economy to come to a sudden halt. Projecting existing spending patterns out, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saudis spent 585 SAR ($156) in 2009 ― a spending level that produces a crude estimated break-even price of the Saudi blend of around $57. For sweet light, that works out to an oil price of $60 or more ..

Sweet light doesn't current trade for anything like that. There is a reason why SAMBA estimates that the Saudis might soon run a rather substantial (over 20% of GDP) budget deficit if sweet light crude is at $40 .
Not that the Saudis need to worry all that much right now. The Saudis added close to $60 billion to their reserves in the third quarter of 2008 alone. They are in a good position to use the Saudi Treasury's accumulated petrodollars (and replenished domestic borrowing capacity, as the Saudi government has repaid a lot of domestic debt) to cover a temporary dip in oil revenues. That after all is the point of saving funds when times are good.
The Russians ― who need an oil price of $70 (if not a bit more … ) to cover their budget ― aren't in quite as good a position. Particularly when they also need to draw on their reserves to bailout (or take over) their corporate sector …
Indeed, if oil stays at $40-45 a barrel, only Norway would still be adding to its stock of petrodollars (or petroeuros). Most other oil exporters would be sellers.
The IMF (see table 4/ p. 30) puts the break-even price for Algeria and Libya in the 50s.
And I don't buy the IMF's estimates for the break-even price for Kuwait, the UAE and Qatar. Not in the sense of providing an accurate picture of the true drain on each country's oil revenue.
The IIF puts Kuwait's break-even price at around $50 counting a significant (one-off) transfer to the social security system. The National Bank of Kuwaitputs Kuwait's break-even price at $54 a barrel even if the one-off transfer payment is excluded. I like the IIF's work on the Gulf, but in this I would bet the National Bank is closer to being right.
The UAE number seems to be for the federal budget ― and thus excludes the budgets of individual sheikdoms. Moreover, Martin Wolf's wonderful phrase "what looked like private lending turned out to be public spending" applies with unusual force in most of the Gulf, where a lot of the bigger local borrowers have close links to the state. And there was more private lending in the UAE than in most places.
Qatar's formal budget almost certainly doesn't capture a lot of spending through various "private" foundations ― nor the funds needed to finance various quasi-private investment plans. $60 a barrel was the number that was floating around Doha this summer …
The IIF believes that the Gulf will run a small ($50 billion) current account surplus if oil is around $55 a barrel. I personally would expect the Gulf to perhaps run a current account deficit if sweet light oil is at $55 in the absence of a major fiscal contraction (and a major cut in various "private" and quasi-private investment plans). And there is no doubt that the Gulf would run a substantial (think $50-75b) current account deficit if oil is the low 40s.
Bye-bye petrodollars. There isn't much reason for the US to worry though. The US oil import bill will fall nearly as fast as the oil exporters reserves …
Indeed, some Gulf states are already in a position where they are selling off some of their foreign assets. Not to cover a fiscal deficit. But to bailout their over-extended private and quasi-private firms.
If the domestic stock market is slipping, the local sovereign wealth fund can start buying shares of local firms …
If the banks are short local currency liquidity, reserve requirements and loan to deposit caps can be lifted. Or the sovereign fund can place a large local currency deposit with the banks …. the UAE, for example, recently put$20 billion on deposit with local banks.
If a firm (or investment company) cannot refinance its external debts, it can get a loan from a sovereign fund …
Stephen Kotkin recently reviewed Christopher M. Davidson's book on Dubai. The reviewer was a bit more positive on Dubai's model than I would be, even arguing that a purge of recent financial excesses woudl be salutary ("the world's searing financial debacle could turn out to be salutary for an overleveraged Dubai, reining in local inflation as well as an insane real estate market.") Maybe. But Dubai's biggest vulnerability is that it was built with borrowed money not oil revenue. Absent a bit of help from further upSheikh Zayed road, Dubai is in a real pinch …
The region's sovereign funds are facing increasing local demands just when the slump in global markets has cut into the value of their portfolios. The IIFargues that the Gulf funds held 40-50% of their assets bonds, and thus have withstood the credit crisis relatively well. That is ― in my view ― only true if SAMA is counted as a sovereign fund. ADIA held between 12-18% of its assets in safe bonds, with the majority in equities. The KIA's portfolio, I suspect, probably wasn't that different than ADIA's portfolio. The KIA started taking on more risk after 2004.
To be sure, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi and Qatar are still fabulously wealthy. But they aren't quite as wealthy as they once were. And all of a sudden they actually will have to make choices rather than having more to spend on everything. Whether prestigious investments abroad or ambitious projects at home …
I always thought the notion that sovereign funds were intrinsically stabilizing forces in the market was overstated. For one, the absence of disclosure meant that it was impossible to know precisely how they impacted markets. But more importantly, their market impact likely would vary over time.
In practice, they were big buyers of risk assets when risk was under-priced in 2006 and the first part of 2007. They seem to have kept on buying in the later part of 2007 ― helping to stabilize the market at no small cost to themselves. At some point in 2008 they got cold feet (or at least some did) and started to build up their cash positions. At least that is my best guess. And now they are likely to need to sell into a down market.
Setting aside the period in late 2007 and early 2008 when they bought in a down market, sovereign funds generally seem to have added to the boom during the boom times (which isn't necessarily stabilizing) and then joined nearly everyone else in pulling back from risk. They haven't always been a stabilizing presence in global markets.
Then again, the whole point of having a sovereign funds is to protect the sovereign funds' home country against macroeconomic volatility ― not to prop up global markets (or global banks). They shouldn't ever have been expected to always be a stabilizing force in global markets.
By contrast, the sovereign funds themselves should have anticipated that they would be called on to support their home countries in bad times. And in retrospect, that means that they probably should have had a higher portion of their assets in investments that would hold their value when global growth slowed ― not in assets whose value is linked to global growth.
After all the price of oil is also a function of global growth
And most oil exporters still need to worry about the size of the external portfolio when oil is down, not when oil is up …



Energy Update: 12 - 5 - 08

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Murphy <djmurphy04@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Subject: Fwd: ELS_120508: a personal note
To: EROI Institute <eroi.institute@gmail.com>




Begin forwarded message:

From: "Charles A. Hall" <chall@esf.edu>
Date: December 5, 2008 1:41:54 AM EST
Subject: ELS_120508: a personal note 

PLEASE READ:

To my energy list serve: 

I am leaving for Argentina tomorrow after a rather exhausting semester. I have just finished three papers, one accepted, on all that is of interest to us and that I will make available as they are published.  We will have, for example, a whole special edition of the Corporate Observer, a Wall Street financial Journal, on "The end of faith-based economics".  Stay tuned.  Bioscience has accepted one of our papers on new directions in ecology. Several other papers look promising.

Next  Monday my wife and I start an entire new Systems Ecology course in Argentina (National Univ. Rio Cuarto) that will run for two weeks full time. Then we go to my favorite part of the world (the Patagonian Andes) for relaxation and trout fishing.

I will be checking my email semi regularly, and working with David Murphy to continue the energy list serve mailings.   But the rate will be less, probably. I suppose that is good news for most of you!  I also request you to minimize your emails to me for the next 5 weeks. I am happy to deal with things really interesting and where I can help, but I just don't need all the political etc chatter.   Then I can concentrate on writing our new book on Biophysical Economics (hopefully that web site is coming up soon).  

Finally: We do all this, all the list serve AND ALL THE EROI etc calculations on very little money. We have had some serious help from the Santa Barbara Family Foundation, The Interfaith council, certain private investors and others in the past (thank you!)  but our cupboard is absolutely bare (except for a little money on energy in the Caribbean).   I am trying to support 8-10 graduate students doing these calculations and analyses and trying to get a similar number of undergraduates started.  I am also trying to build a program that will live beyond my time here. Fortunately I attract great students and they tend to get good University support for TAs. They ALL go on and get many of the very best positions in US Universities and agencies.  But we have just been turned down (again) by the National Science Foundation for a good proposal to do and teach EROI. (No Federal agency supports this work).   I have also gotten no where with a major oil company that had acted interested and in which I had invested considerable time and money.   I do get good money to do e.g. tropical forest research, indicating the priorities of NSF.  But I am exhausted and depressed trying to get money for what many of you tell me is the most important science that can be done ..calculating EROI and  understanding more deeply the relation between energy and economies.

I know this is a very tough time both for regular investors and for those in the energy industry,  but I am desperate for money to keep our program going. I take no money myself (except a good University salary), and in fact pay for many things out of my own pocket.  $500 supports an undergraduate project, $10,000 supports a graduate student for one semester, $100,000 allows us to calculate EROI for things like gas from tight sands etc. e.g. Marcellus shales, and a million dollars starts a named endowment. We have nearly 500 subscribers to this free list serve.  Someone must be rich!

So if you are flush and are interested in helping (or know someone who might be interested) send a check to:

EROI Foundation
c/o Dean Neil Ringler
201 Bray Hall
SUNY ESF
Syracuse, New York
13210

I am ashamed to do this but I have never found the government to have any interest in our work.  They support only silver bullets (remember corn-based ethanol?). 

Have a good holiday season and do not feel the slightest bit guilty if you are not interested in the above.

Charlie Hall


From: D'Elia, Christopher F. [mailto:cdelia@spadmin.usf.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:28 PM
To: Charles A. Hall
Subject: Science Mag.

Worth sharing!


David J. R. Murphy, Ph.D. Student

301 Illick Hall
College of Environmental Science and Forestry
Syracuse, NY 13210







Click here to download:
World Oil Crunch Looming Science.pdf (284 KB)

Energy Listserv Update: 11-25-08

Happy Thanksgiving! Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim [mailto:lemon@geog.utoronto.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:52 PM
To: energy group; energy group2; energy group 3; U S list
Subject: FW: Peak Oil Review 24 November 2008

Assoc for the Study of Peak Oil--USA weekly (Note: no ASPO-Canada, never
took off apparently)

This past week prices down, short-term excess supply; OPEC making $1
trillion down from earlier estimate, but troubles; with gasoline selling for
less than in 30s (inflation corrected), projections on price are mixed but
expectations that shortages coming as investments cut back; Detroit--GM
broke?; more on IEA report of two weeks ago--several contradictions.
Briefs: lots of reports of delays and cutbacks in investment that is falling
faster than consumption thus likely shortfalls coming in future  etc
Commentary on Alaska oil and gas.  Role of gas pressure to keep oil coming
from North  Slope; history of the depleting of Cook Bay field; etc   J
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From: review@aspo-usa.com
Reply-To: review@aspo-usa.com
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:35:27 -0500
To: lemon@geog.utoronto.ca
Subject: Peak Oil Review 24 November  2008


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This week's IEA report, predicting 106 mbpd of oil production in the year 2030, and various price forecasts along the way, gives us more of the same from our international energy institutions whose fundamental assumptions remain broadly unquestioned. It is an open but critical question why anyone would continue to take conventional (neoclassical) economic theory seriously given the events of the last month, not to mention the repudiation of the "Washington consensus" by just about all Latin American countries and the many articles that have been written recently (and not so recently) that debunk some or all of the basic neoclassical assumptions (e.g. Leontief, 1982; Hall et al., 200l; Gowdy and Erickson, 2005; Bouchard, 2008; Galbraith, 2008; Nadeau, 2008 - - from many others). Nevertheless in this report we see the IEA, after making a good initial statement about the reality and importance of peak oil, revert back to predicting future oil supplies based on the same unproven neoclassical economic theories, including, most basically, an assumption of intrinsic growth of demand for oil at 1.6 percent per year indefinitely (click here for a review of the modeling in the WEO). This economic theory has allowed for the continued abuse of the words 'proven' and 'probable' when predicting reserve quantities, and in this case, has led the IEA to report that ultimate recoverable reserves from conventional sources total 3.5 trillion barrels, and from unconventional sources upwards of 6.5 trillion barrels. This report, and economics more generally, completely lacks the understanding that those numbers are not only quite unproven but irrelevant and useless by themselves, for the important number is not "how many barrels are in the ground" but "how many of those barrels will be gained at a significant energy profit for society." In effect, the notional figure of 106 mbpd gives the impression that oil's net benefit to society will continue and even grow into the future.

The analyses presented by the IEA assume that only dollars will need to be invested (and $24 trillion at that). But oil, like anything else, requires real resources to procure, and it will be obtained only in proportion to how much real resource (energy, steel etc) is spent in getting it. The main problem is that geology, not the market, holds the key, and the geology of earth is getting more and more parsimonious in two ways: quantity and quality. Both of these concepts impact the energy return on investment (EROI) of national and global oil and gas supplies. First, the IEA is almost certainly correct in stating that as time progresses an increasing proportion of global oil supplies will have to come from fewer supergiant and giant fields within OPEC, as efforts to expand production worldwide has failed to keep pace with the depletion of non-OPEC fields in e.g. the U.S, Great Britain, Norway and elsewhere. This will influence EROI because these existing huge, old OPEC "elephants" are seriously aging and require more and more energy to maintain pressure through injection of, for example, seawater into the lower parts of these fields. Second, as time progresses and the best oil has been found and produced (for example North Ghawar vs. South Ghawar) an increasing proportion of new fields brought into production yield oil that is more difficult to access as well as heavier and more sulfur-laden, requiring more energy to produce, refine, transport (for example, Stuart Staniford reported how the oil in Saudi Arabia is becoming harder to access). The combination of quantity and quality reductions has led to decreasing Energy Return on Investment (EROI) which has not in any way been compensated for by technology or increased drilling rates. These ideas have been well understood since at least Hall and Cleveland (1981), whose results were published on the first page of the Wall Street Journal but quickly forgotten by the financial community and most of the scientific community.

Just to give you a rough idea as to where we are at present with respect to EROI, "according to legendary oilman Charles Maxwell" on The Money Show, most countries report that it costs from $55 (Saudi Arabia) to $70-90 (Russia and most of OPEC) to $90 (Iran and Venezuela) to produce a barrel of oil. That is a lot of money but underneath the surface also represents a lot of energy. Recent work in our lab suggests that when you divide the energy produced by the energy used by oil and gas industries (data is available for only a few countries such as the US and UK) that these industries use about 17 MegaJoules (MJ) per dollar spent in 2006. This is the energy intensity per dollar spent for seeking and producing oil. This compares to about 14 MJ per dollar for heavy construction and about 8-9 MJ per dollar as a societal average, so it seems to be in the right ballpark. If we assume 5 percent inflation since 2006 we might expect there to be used about 16 MJ per dollar spent by the oil and gas industries in 2008. So if it takes Saudi Arabia $55 to produce a barrel then $55 times 16 MJ/$ equals about 880 MJ required per barrel. For Venezuela, which requires $90 a barrel, this number would be 1440 MJ required per barrel. Since a barrel of oil contains about 6164 MJ of energy, the EROI would be about 7:1 for Saudi Arabia to 4.3 for Venezuela or Iran. These estimates, although crude, indicate the seriousness of the problem and sound a clarion call for opening up data banks all around the world to greater scientific scrutiny while also calling for companies to make their energy, as well as dollar, costs explicit and public.

It is important to remember that this is a rough estimate of the EROI for total "upstream" costs, i.e. exploration, development, and production of new wells, and so a calculation of the EROI for simply producing wells within Saudi Arabia would be considerably higher. (I.e., it is possible that seemingly high EROI is only 'at the margin', (on wells and infrastructure put in place long ago), and is masking a deterioration in the EROI of 'new' oil and gas requiring new energy and resources to harness). Nonetheless, the cost of getting energy has been increasing greatly of late which implies that the world is approaching a point at which the energy required to get new oil will be a substantial part of, and eventually all of, the energy found within the barrel. At this point the oil age will be over, regardless of the amount of oil left in the ground or the price that the oil commands. This concept exists partially and inadequately in economics as diminishing returns, but an advantage of EROI over diminishing returns is that with a good historical data set, EROI allows the calculation of a rough cut off point. This suggests that the IEA's prediction of 106 mbpd in 2030, whether true or not, will not have equivalent impact on society as the readers of the WEO 2008 report might infer.

Many economists will say that EROI undervalues the role that technology will play in accessing deeper and poorer quality reserves. But as we have stated, EROI in the US obtained at least 100 barrels of oil from each barrel invested in going after it in the 1930's but only about 10 for one in about 2000, despite the tremendous increases in technology (Cleveland et al., 1984, Cleveland 2005). Therefore, in the US, and subsequently the world, geologic limits have trumped technological advances, and so we reiterate: the arguments about how much oil is left in the ground misses the point - what is important is not the total oil remaining but how much we can get out at a significant energy profit. Unfortunately this amount is likely not large, and this increasing differential between gross and net will only exacerbate Peak Oil. Economics will eventually reflect decreasing energy profits, and even though the price of oil has dropped below what it costs to produce a barrel in many oil-producing countries this will only guarantee larger oil production problems in the (not far off) future. Fancy economic theory will have no ability to change these physics (Hall et al., 2008). As usual, in the long run Mother Nature holds the high cards.

Neoclassical economics and economists have reigned supreme despite their dismal track record of late, as evidenced by governments turning to the same economists who got us into the credit crisis situation to get us out. It used to work better: economies expanded simultaneously with an expansion of economic departments and economic theory. It looked like the theories worked, although since more and more oil was being pumped out of the ground perhaps any theory could 'seemingly' work. Capitalism may be a giant Ponzi scheme once fueled by ever more investors and ever more oil at its base, but this has ceased, most likely forever (see here for a definition of Ponzi scheme). The economic theories became ever more analytically elegant as they got further and further from reality. Our most prestigious economics departments not only did not teach very much about oil or grain or other sources of real wealth but increasingly not even about money. Rather their focus was far too often complex econometric models using rather stupid starting assumptions (e.g. Nadeau, 2008). Acceptance of graduate students was increasingly taken based on their math skills rather than their ability to understand real commodity paths. Wall Street followed the lead of our major economists. As we have seen in other disciplines, such as ecology, there has been massive conflation of mathematical and analytical rigor with scientific rigor.

The basic theories of neoclassical economics breaks many conventional rules of science: for starters the boundaries are wrong, the laws of thermodynamics are not respected and the whole edifice is based on "sets of more or less plausible but entirely arbitrary assumptions" about the economy that were chosen based on an inappropriate physical analogy and that were analytically tractable (Leontief, 1981; Hall et al., 2001; Nadeau, 2008). In fact why should economics be a social science at all? Real economies are about the flow of real materials and the energy required for those flows and materials. Earlier economists (the physiocrats and the classical economists such as Adam Smith and David Ricardo) understood the physical base for wealth and made no such foolish assumptions, nor should we.

If one were to ask a physicist or chemist or engineer about how something was made in our society they would probably begin with analysis of the resources required for its manufacture and then the energy required for that manufacturing. But economists, in their Cobb-Douglass production functions, use only capital and labor: P = f (K,L), and sometimes not even labor. Why? The economist Dennison (1979, 1989) in many papers wrote that about half of the increase of production over time in the US cannot be explained by the increase in capital and labor. He explains that the statistical error (residual) associated with correlating capital and labor with production is "innovation" (technology), something dear to the hearts of economists. But when Kümmel (1982, 1989) adds in energy, as any real scientist would, this error disappears and the increase in energy turns out to be more powerful than either capital or labor (also see Hall et al. 2001).

Instead of the kind of economics that dominates today what we need is a biophysical approach to our economic system, one that is based on real physical and biological production and distribution possibilities (Cleveland et al., 1984; Hall and Klitgaard 2006). The first International Meeting on Biophysical Economics was held in Syracuse, New York in October of 2008 and there is interest in setting up chapters in at least 6 European Countries. We are attempting to generate case histories, analyses and a textbook, but the road is difficult since conventional neoclassical economics is so firmly entrenched. But if the events of 2008 are a glimpse into the future, then the transition to this kind of economics is inevitable, and along the way it will render moot a good part of the analysis in this weeks IEA document. We would do well to understand and guide this transition.

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Hall, C. and K. Klitgaard. 2006. The need for a new, biophysical-based paradigm in economics for the second half of the age of oil. Journal of Transdisciplinary Research Vol. 1, Issue 1: 4-22.

Hall, C.A.S., R. Powers and W. Schoenberg. (2008). Peak oil, EROI, investments and the economy in an uncertain future. Pp. 113-136 in Pimentel, David. (ed). Renewable Energy Systems: Environmental and Energetic Issues. Elsevier London

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David J. R. Murphy, Ph.D. Student

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TO my readers:  

1)  Comment from Ron Swenson:  

Charlie

Dr. Smil doesn't seem to be taking peak oil into account. I thought that
the Peak Oil warning was the point. 

If Smil thinks global oil / coal / natural gas production declines of
5-10%+ per year are gradual, then I can agree with him. But I don't
think 10% is gradual. Do you agree? 

Ron

Answer sort of: Charlie thinks we will be watching a short term race
between financial collapse (or decline) and decline of oil and maybe gas
which, whenever the financial stuff  bottoms and goes back upward will
meet the declining availability of O &G because we have not been making
the investments. On the other hand who can predict the future these
days? 

Charlie  

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